Curse

EverDawn · Mar 23, 2011, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Hello,

Just for the fun of it, as my main is a Necro, I wanted to do a full Necro build, and don't use any spirits.

This is what I came up with. What to you guys think? And can be used for HM mission and Vanq?

Thniks I'm unsure of:

Do I really need to copies of shiver?
Do I need two copyes of Deth Nova to make all minions really go boom?
Do i have energy problems on anyone?
Is dual fall back really needed or should i drop it and make a pure blood N, maybe with blood ritual?
Attribute break points, I'm cheap and don't want to buy more runs, should i set attributes in some other way?
All that prot and healing should be enugh right?
Is there a better res option?

Also, I'm wondering what the player build shoul be for this, I'm thinking about saying "no PvE" skills. Any suggestions either way?

distilledwill · Mar 23, 2011, 11:48 AM // 11:48

The player build should be an assassin's promise necro. That way you can use really damaging skills with a high cost/long recharge pretty much endlessley.

I'd say you don't need 2 copies of Jagged Bones, Death Nova and Spinal Shivers. Other than that, it looks ok. You're going to get a lot of stick for using Discord, but ignore them :P.

aspi · Mar 23, 2011, 11:57 AM // 11:57

It should work fine, but you as ap caller like distilledwill said is much better.
I would also throw in 2 mesmers but that would not make it a full necro team like you want.

HigherMinion · Mar 23, 2011, 11:59 AM // 11:59

two hex removal, two ench strips and spinal rupt thing you have two of. Looks like an abundance.

chullster · Mar 23, 2011, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Why have you got order of pain in there? you have no physical damage from your party as you have shivers, thus it's cold damage.

N/rt are better healers than N/mo so I'd change those.

Unholy feast is bad, there are better blood skills about.

Apart from that it's just another discord team using their elite skill for single target conditional damage, which is always bad in PvE.

But if that's what you want, have fun

ian1421 · Mar 23, 2011, 12:26 PM // 12:26

I don't like the idea of only healers having a res, if your team is taking the kinda dmg to wipe 1 of your heroes out, your healers shouldn't have to stop doing their job to res.

distilledwill · Mar 23, 2011, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by ian1421

I don't like the idea of only healers having a res, if your team is taking the kinda dmg to wipe 1 of your heroes out, your healers shouldn't have to stop doing their job to res.

Oh yeah! Didn't notice that. thats one of my biggest no nos - remove them at once!

S4br3t00th · Mar 23, 2011, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Mo heals suck on non-monk primaries, I'd put N-Rt in there place, WITHOUT them having rezes. NO REZ ON BACKLINES, unless you need UA on a monk (aka the deep)
other than that.... 2 copies of shivers(having the 2 different even makes it worse... hell even 1 is useless in general PvE), orders, unholy feast, SB (it will let even your lol infinite energy necro dry :/), 2 copies of jagged... doesn't seem very useful...
More than 3-4 copies of discord is absolutely ludicrous, stuff is already annhilated and you wasted your other elites. Try pain of disenchantement (or microed SS) for a little AoE. I'd try to put in 2-3 copies of putrid bile for the AoE too.
GftE in the command line works on minions, seeing you have fall back it shouldn't be hard to squeeze in. Keep the 2 fall backs, it's very convinient and keeps minion alive when traveling.

necros have lol infinite energy so it won't be a pbroblem if you get rid of Spirit bond, and with the minions/heals/prots you should be fine.

For the player, I'd go with a echo/SS nuker, no PvE skills involved. Discord caller with EVAS, norn shouts and AP is very effective but lame beyond speakable... Your call...

BrettM · Mar 23, 2011, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Splinter Weapon and Order of Pain both seem out of place. Orders does not affect minions even if they're doing physical damage and I'm not sure heroes will cast splinter on them, as I know they won't cast it on pets. Having a couple of heroes using "Go for the Eyes!" could be useful, since that does affect minions.

makosi · Mar 23, 2011, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Multiple copies of Jagged Bones is actually pretty good in practice. Jus' sayin'.

One of the curses heroes could have Icy Veins and the blood hero can have somthing like Spoil Victor instead of Discord so that their atributes aren't so thinly spread.

Kelfer · Mar 23, 2011, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Splinter Weapon and Order of Pain both seem out of place.

^ This.

Use an AotL Bomb in place of 1 jagged (no Death nova on remaining Jagged as heroes get confused if you do), and drop in a SOS Rit w. Splinter/ Rift and Spihon Spirit.
Together with the advice from others, i.e. put res on hero healers and disable it. Use N/Rt as healer. Far better than monk. If you do have to use a N/Mo, then at least put Word of healing in there.

GL and hope you get there

Marverick · Mar 23, 2011, 03:24 PM // 15:24

How can you say you're cheap and don't want to buy runes if you're spending real money buying 4 mercenaries..........?

Daesu · Mar 23, 2011, 03:37 PM // 15:37

I just don't think this would be efficient. A ranger casting discord? No interrupt (unless you are using cold damage weapons and micro)? Looks weak against non-fleshies.

EverDawn · Mar 23, 2011, 04:07 PM // 16:07

Thanks for all the answers everyone! Why didn't I get as much feedback on my other thread? That's the build I'm more serious about

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/r...t10474493.html

Yeah, the build is not that good. As I said, I just wanted to come up with a god build for a full 8-man necro team. My main is a necro but forgot to change that in the picture.

And ingame money and out of game money ar two different things

I have a lot more of the real stuff then the ingame stuff.

The no rez on healars was really good advice actully. Thanks! Never tought of it that way before.

The reason I didn't want to use N/Rt healers are that I don't want any spirits in the team, just a fix idea

I really did think orders worked on minions actully. And that heroes use slinter on minions to.

Thanks for all the help!!

Gabs88 · Mar 23, 2011, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by EverDawn

Thanks for all the answers everyone! Why didn't I get as much feedback on my other thread? That's the build I'm more serious about

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/r...t10474493.html

Yeah, the build is not that good. As I said, I just wanted to come up with a god build for a full 8-man necro team. My main is a necro but forgot to change that in the picture.

And ingame money and out of game money ar two different things

I have a lot more of the real stuff then the ingame stuff.

The no rez on healars was really good advice actully. Thanks! Never tought of it that way before.

The reason I didn't want to use N/Rt healers are that I don't want any spirits in the team, just a fix idea

I really did think orders worked on minions actully. And that heroes use slinter on minions to.

Thanks for all the help!!

If you wanna do a full 8 necro team its not all that hard. but you should be looking on blood magic spikes instead of discord.

bhavv · Mar 25, 2011, 03:46 AM // 03:46

IMO there are good ways of running discord, and bad ways.

This would be a good example of a bad way.